Thursday, October 12, 2006

My Kos adventure (comments on last post, at Kos)

Poll
Does troll-rating stifle meaningful discourse?
· Yes 17%
· No 41%
· Depends on the troll 23%
· What, you mean like now? 17%
Votes: 17
Results :: Other Polls
Tags: Troll diary (all tags)


· You know it's hard to tell sometimes (0 / 0)
...some people do snark a lot better than others.
If a frog had wings, he wouldn't bump his rear end.
by InsultComicDog on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 08:12:06 PM MST
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· we got the jokes (2+ / 0-)
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he wasn't funny. and his language was often offensive.
© 2006 "The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream will never die." -Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, 12 August 1980
by Turkana on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 08:12:14 PM MST
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o Offensive language... (0 / 0)
was one of the most frequently cited rationalizations for censorship where I grew up.
I find the parallel distressing.
"Paradise is exactly like where you are right now, only much, much better." Laurie Anderson
by tenaciousk on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 08:15:03 PM MST
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§ sorry to distress you (6+ / 0-)
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but racist and bigoted language rubs a lot of us the wrong way.
© 2006 "The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream will never die." -Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, 12 August 1980
by Turkana on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 08:17:42 PM MST
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§ An honest question (0 / 0)
would you ban Lenny Bruce? A white version of Richard Pryor?
by robokos on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 08:29:31 PM MST
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§ they were funny (4+ / 0-)
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and their offensive language was used with wit, wisdom, and insight. switters was a twit, his "jokes" weren't funny, and his offensive language was nothing but offensive.
© 2006 "The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream will never die." -Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, 12 August 1980
by Turkana on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 08:33:48 PM MST
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§ Your opinion. (0 / 0)
The majority of people in the US found Lenny Bruce offensive - not funny.
Are those the people you want to emulate?
"Paradise is exactly like where you are right now, only much, much better." Laurie Anderson
by tenaciousk on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 08:35:13 PM MST
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§ lol (0 / 0)
lenny bruce built a solid audience. switters didn't build any. he wasn't funny, he was offensive, and the only people who defended him were sockpuppets such as yourself.
© 2006 "The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream will never die." -Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, 12 August 1980
by Turkana on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 08:41:18 PM MST
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§ I find it interesting that one positive comment.. (0 / 0)
on this thread also voices fear about being labelled a "troll."
Calling people trolls and sockpuppets - what impact do you suppose this has on honest discourse?
Please - look at the process at work here.
"Paradise is exactly like where you are right now, only much, much better." Laurie Anderson
by tenaciousk on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 08:43:37 PM MST
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§ you are here for one purpose (6+ / 0-)
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and that's to defend switters. this is a political blog, it's not a blog about switters. you are not here for honest discourse.
© 2006 "The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream will never die." -Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, 12 August 1980
by Turkana on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 08:48:52 PM MST
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§ I find it interesting (5+ / 0-)
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how people calling you sockpuppets and trolls are doing so because it is true. You are trolling the site. You know this, I know this, we all know this.
This whole trainwreck of an experiment says more about you than it does us.
by SeattleLiberal on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 08:56:32 PM MST
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§ Show me in the FAQ (6+ / 0-)
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where this is supposed to be the DailySwitters.
I don't know what in the fuck you all think you are accomplishing here. This is a site to work on getting Democrats elected. Are you all spamming knitting blogs complaining that they aren't giving switters a forum to give crappy movie reviews? Try the fucking Onion. Although, quite frankly, I think they would tell him to keep his day job like we did.
Switters writing wasn't even the biggest part in the banning - it was the annoying supporters, i.e. YOU that kept spamming the place and playing your childish game. You folks probably hurt his image more than anything.
I don't know which one you were but I am 99% certain you have been banned as well and as a banned user you will be again.
by SeattleLiberal on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 08:53:48 PM MST
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§ Well, then you're 99% wrong. (0 / 0)
How about reading the post and addressing the point?
Do you think that Republican success in alienating the (unfortunately) minority viewpoint has anything to do with success electing Democrats?
The process at work here is important. It's worth calling attention to. It mirrors a problematic phenemonen elsewhere.
It doesn't bother me a bit that others don't find Switters funny. We might disagree about our musical tastes as well.
It's the reception that's the problem - how he's been dealt with.
"Paradise is exactly like where you are right now, only much, much better." Laurie Anderson
by tenaciousk on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 09:08:55 PM MST
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§ You are not here to argue in good faith (3+ / 0-)
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There are some of the answers you are asking in the comment above. The banning issue had very little to do with his abilities.
You answer my questions and I'll think about continuing this. I'm not holding my breath.
by SeattleLiberal on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 09:19:32 PM MST
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§ And with your UID (5+ / 0-)
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you are either a banned user or they just recruited you at the Slate site to do their bidding. I am considering that the same thing.
by SeattleLiberal on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 09:20:56 PM MST
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§ Well gotta disagree with you there (0 / 0)
Not that he was always witty, wise or insightful, but that lacking those are a basis for being banned--cause I have days when I lack those features myself.
by robokos on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 08:41:25 PM MST
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§ well (2+ / 0-)
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you're forgetting the part about his being offensive. and that is a basis for being banned.
© 2006 "The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream will never die." -Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, 12 August 1980
by Turkana on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 08:47:21 PM MST
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§ Yeah, but see (0 / 0)
the other stuff is subjective, so you're using subjective criteria to make the decision to ban. I would think if you are going to ban, it can't be based on wit, wisdom, insight, but must be based on the sheer offensiveness of the statement.
Personally, I tend to think its easier to just ignore someone or call them out then to ban them. If he truly lacks wit, calling him out and kicking his butt with a comment shouldn't be too difficult. That's actually my philosophy with most trolls. I never troll rate, but I will go right after a troll in a comment.
by robokos on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 08:52:55 PM MST
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§ again (2+ / 0-)
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he offended a lot of people. that was why he was banned.
© 2006 "The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream will never die." -Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, 12 August 1980
by Turkana on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 08:56:04 PM MST
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· Good conversation. (1+ / 0-)
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I'll make an effort to go back and look what s/he wrote and let you know what I think, if this hasn't scrolled off by then.
by robokos on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 08:58:16 PM MST
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· Well, looked at Switters last three diaries (0 / 0)
quickly and, frankly, not seeing it. If you have a particularly offensive thing to cite to it, appreciate it if you could direct me to it.
by robokos on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 09:17:22 PM MST
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o to be honest (0 / 0)
i'm not going to waste my time. i do remember him making anti-semitic comments, in an apparent attempt at irony- which fell flat, and left only the stench of anti-semitism. he also used a vile term for gays- another attempt at humor that simply wasn't funny.
© 2006 "The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream will never die." -Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, 12 August 1980
by Turkana on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 09:21:35 PM MST
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§ I guess I have to assume the people who have the (0 / 0)
power to make a decision saw them.
Maybe the diarist can help me?
by robokos on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 09:25:09 PM MST
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§ don't waste your time (2+ / 0-)
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the diarist is just here to defend switters. he's not here for any other purpose. a sockpuppet troll.
© 2006 "The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream will never die." -Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, 12 August 1980
by Turkana on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 09:28:57 PM MST
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§ Yeah, got it. (4+ / 0-)
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I apologize. The diarist/Switters does not appear to be sincere/serious. Actually almost sociopathic. Perhaps in some other context we can carry on this conversation in an aduit manner.
by robokos on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 09:31:37 PM MST
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§ This is more than just the offensiveness (6+ / 0-)
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it was the spamming and the effort that a group of people, including switters, pulled over a period of a week or two and with this diary now, three.
They all met at another site and planned this little childish prank. I had a link I don't want to dig up that contained the thread. It was at Slate's forum.
Switters, if he would have taken some constructive criticism and worked on improving his writing instead of trying to force us all to change, may have actually gotten better at one of the most difficult forms of writing to do well - satire.
Instead of realizing he read his audience wrong and adapting, we get spammed by multiple "fans" telling us how brilliant switters is.
If it was just switters and none of his "fans" he would probably still be here. He wouldn't be the most popular person on the site, but he'd still be here.
by SeattleLiberal on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 09:05:59 PM MST
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§ You misunderstand. (0 / 0)
A group of liberals at another site became aware of a distressing dynamic among a group we consider to be philosophical and political allies.
I'm as concerned as anyone about electing sane politicians. What impact does suppression ideas have on that process?
"Paradise is exactly like where you are right now, only much, much better." Laurie Anderson
by tenaciousk on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 09:15:08 PM MST
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§ Be frank, TK. (0 / 0)
Are you playing a game, or are you sincere? What other site are you talking about? Are you acting in good faith?
by robokos on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 09:21:44 PM MST
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· Good faith. (0 / 0)

The liberal element at Slate's Fray (that would be very nearly everybody).
Not everybody likes Switters there, either. The idea he would be banned from posting, however, is rather universally offensive.
It has led to some interesting discussions about the impact a trusted users group has on dialogue. This is the primary concern - that rigid enforcement of an artificial conformity exerts an undeniably deleterious impact on free discourse. It's the people who disagree with me that I learn the most from.
Though I do like Switters. But really, that's immaterial.
"Paradise is exactly like where you are right now, only much, much better." Laurie Anderson
by tenaciousk on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 09:39:20 PM MST
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o Sounds like B.S. to me (0 / 0)
maybe time to go back your textbooks, schoolie?
by robokos on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 09:43:29 PM MST
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§ I'm sorry I'm not better at making my point. (0 / 0)
The country is in trouble, and this is an important point.
BTW - my (soon to be ex) inlaws decided, as a group, that the problem with me was that I was too educated - that this is why I had lost my religious faith. Again, your comment mirrors a local sentiment in a way I find most distressing.
Why did you back down so quickly in your defense of Switters?
"Paradise is exactly like where you are right now, only much, much better." Laurie Anderson
by tenaciousk on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 09:54:54 PM MST
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· Oh, if you ever visit... (0 / 0)
I also post there under the nic Fieldingbandolier. I am on a voluntary vacation from posting there, however - supporting a friend, and breaking a compulsive cycle.
On the plus side, I probably never would've bothered coming over here if I'd continued to be so immersed over there. This is an interesting site. I'm very serious about my concern, however.
Since Gingrich's "Majority of the Majority", and the active censure of dissenting opinions within parties, there has been a clear decline in productive discourse, and an even clearer decline in the quality of decisions made in such a forum.
Narrowness of perspective is deadly - regardless of which political party you're talking about. I would argue the Democratic party has allowed the level of discourse to be dictated by extremists in the opposing party.
What impact does a minority of "trusted users" who are out on the tails of opinion exert on dialogue here?
We're supposed to be the folks who know better.
I anticipate I'll be banned. I hope not, though - it's a lousy way to prove a point, and I'd much rather come over here and chat with likeminded people who might be interested in what I have to say.
"Paradise is exactly like where you are right now, only much, much better." Laurie Anderson
by tenaciousk on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 09:47:28 PM MST
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· Utah is the reddest of red states (0 / 0)
It also gave us Glenn Beck.
Skiing is the best there, I only go to Utah skiing nowdays. I drive from Los Angeles once a year.
But when I go there, I do not talk politics because I think most Utahns are deranged when it comes to politics.
It is good to know there are Utahns with common sense.
Interesting diary, thanks.
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by Shockwave on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 08:16:46 PM MST
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o Utah also gave us (1+ / 0-)
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the Sundance film festival, and Provo gave us Poe and Mark Danielewski (siblings who admittedly moved before they became famous, but hey - we take what we can).
"Paradise is exactly like where you are right now, only much, much better." Laurie Anderson
by tenaciousk on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 08:25:04 PM MST
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· And which one of his banned buddies are you? (6+ / 0-)
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It's so difficult to keep track of all the zombies.
"I will make a bargain with the Republicans. If they will stop telling lies about Democrats, we will stop telling the truth about them." -- Adlai Stevenson
by sbdenmon on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 08:17:44 PM MST
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o this is his first diary (0 / 0)
and his only previous comments were on a switters diary.
© 2006 "The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream will never die." -Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, 12 August 1980
by Turkana on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 08:23:31 PM MST
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o switters *twitters* sucked, his sockpuppets (4+ / 0-)
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are tattered and moldy and lame. Frying donuts right now. Bon appetit, monotony.
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans." John Lennon
by trashablanca on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 08:56:21 PM MST
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· Has s/he actually been banned? (0 / 0)
Cause the diaries are still there. Frankly, at the risk of being trolled, I liked a lot of Switters stuff. I did not read ones that contained racist or bigoted, just some screwball movie reviews. I guess I would have to judge for myself if they were over the line. If they were, then I think the remedy was appropriate.
by robokos on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 08:28:12 PM MST
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o Banning does not remove diaries. n/t (3+ / 0-)
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Who you gonna call?
by Ahianne on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 08:48:55 PM MST
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o you won't get TR'd n/t (1+ / 0-)
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© 2006 "The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream will never die." -Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, 12 August 1980
by Turkana on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 08:52:01 PM MST
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· *Another* sockpuppet? (6+ / 0-)
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Isn't this getting kind of repetitive?
-dms
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by dmsilev on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 08:36:55 PM MST
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o They were kind of cute (5+ / 0-)
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at the beginning, but now they're like the last guests at a party: babbling incoherently, getting on everyone's nerves, and refusing to leave.
"I will make a bargain with the Republicans. If they will stop telling lies about Democrats, we will stop telling the truth about them." -- Adlai Stevenson
by sbdenmon on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 08:39:40 PM MST
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· Switters - he banned (2+ / 0-)
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a penny for the old troll.
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by johnny rotten on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 08:59:15 PM MST
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· The Switters Club (7+ / 0-)
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is 100% troll-worthy. They have no real interest in progressive politics or Democratic goals. These clowns are not here to engage with constructively with this community. They're here to fuck with us. They have this little club going on at another site, they've set up multiple accounts with numerous sockpuppets, and they come here for no purpose other than disrupt and annoy people.
This is their "performance art project" about which they get together elsewhere and giggle about how much they annoyed folks here. In their minds, this is a fun and intellectually superior thing to do. Go figure. Maybe they didn't get enough attention at some point in their lives.
There is no good will in their postings, no sincerity. It's all BS, an act intended to piss people off while feigning innocence and expressing "concern" for free expression.
No more discussion. I'm troll-rating every one of these assholes whenever they show up.
"...." -- Harpo Marx
by BobzCat on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 09:45:11 PM MST
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o Meanwhile, back at the ranch, (5+ / 0-)
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..errr, rather, way down the comments thread on switters' last diary, tenaciousk enthusiastically greeted new user hipparchia. It looks like switters' twits are still bent on coming in and wasting bandwidth. threadkiller may also be a member of their happy little club.
Who you gonna call?
by Ahianne on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 10:12:32 PM MST
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§ Good catch, Ahianne. (0 / 0)
Threadkiller gives him his only uprating, to date in that same thread.
by Pager on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 10:34:08 PM MST
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§ Thanks. I'll mention those handles in my report (0 / 0)
to Kos.
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by Rita in DC on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 10:34:20 PM MST
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· Sorry: (3+ / 0-)
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But switters published a diary blaming the victim for being hit on by Mark Foley. That is simply not an appropriate thing to joke about.
Let's say you start a blog about civil rights. Is it OK for me to come in and start spouting KKK propaganda?
Conservatism is Dead!
by Eternal Hope on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 09:56:28 PM MST
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o Not as a parody? (0 / 0)
Spouting KKK propaganda as a means of highlighting the offensive and ludicrous nature of KKK philosophy seems entirely appropriate.
And discussion-worthy, as a vehicle for identifying all of the weak points in an argument that's proven sadly persuasive to a distressing number of people.
The thankfully defunct American Nazi (or whatever) encampment was just a few hours north of here, BTW. I've seen the leaflets.
"Paradise is exactly like where you are right now, only much, much better." Laurie Anderson
by tenaciousk on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 10:06:51 PM MST
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§ Don't play dumb. (1+ / 0-)
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What if a real KKK guy came to your website and started spouting his hate speech? Would he be welcome there?
Conservatism is Dead!
by Eternal Hope on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 10:08:45 PM MST
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§ I'm not all that sure he's playing. n/t (4+ / 0-)
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by Pager on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 10:12:19 PM MST
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§ Do you mean to tell me... (0 / 0)
you thought Switters was posting in seriousness?
You ever read "A Modest Proposal"? You think Swift was serious?
"Paradise is exactly like where you are right now, only much, much better." Laurie Anderson
by tenaciousk on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 10:15:35 PM MST
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§ So, you would allow a KKK member on your site. (0 / 0)
How tolerant.
How generous of you.
Fine by me. We don't need your vote this election.
Conservatism is Dead!
by Eternal Hope on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 10:17:24 PM MST
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§ [sigh...] (0 / 0)
I'm afraid you do - my vote, and everybody else's.
I'm still in shock over Bush's second term. Aren't you?
If you read my reply, I said parody, not genuine article.
"Paradise is exactly like where you are right now, only much, much better." Laurie Anderson
by tenaciousk on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 10:26:03 PM MST
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§ I asked about the genuine article. (0 / 0)
You would allow the genuine article on your site. So we don't need your vote. The KKK hates Bush with a passion.
Conservatism is Dead!
by Eternal Hope on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 10:28:31 PM MST
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§ Favorite Republican debate strategy. (0 / 0)
Answer the question in your head, not what was asked.
Please direct me to where I said sincere KKK propaganda would be tolerated.
"Paradise is exactly like where you are right now, only much, much better." Laurie Anderson
by tenaciousk on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 10:40:13 PM MST
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§ * [new] So, you wouldn't. (0 / 0)
You would remove it from the site. So, why would you even tolerate joking about blaming the victim or spouting KKK propaganda?
Conservatism is Dead!
by Eternal Hope on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 10:54:31 PM MST
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§ Nope. (0 / 0)
He'd be castigated.
So, are you really saying Switters was being sincere in that vein? Or do you concede it was parody?
"Paradise is exactly like where you are right now, only much, much better." Laurie Anderson
by tenaciousk on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 10:34:07 PM MST
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§ Exactly: (1+ / 0-)
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As we are castigating you, Switters.
There are some things you simply don't joke about. You would not make a bomb threat and call it a joke. And you would not joke about being a racist, so you should not joke about blaming the victim for being exploited.
Conservatism is Dead!
by Eternal Hope on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 10:40:00 PM MST
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· The Switters sockpuppet family was smaller than (4+ / 0-)
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some people surmised, according to Kos in a brief reply to my report a while back. However, a couple of the suspected user names were indeed Switters sockpuppets--previously banned, IIRC--and Kos did some more banning.
Yawn. I'll send him another report.
Yo, diarist! This passage from the dKosopedia is linked to in the FAQ. See if you can grasp it:
Banned Users
. . . The thing about it is this: banning is permanent. You don't get to come back under a different name. Many people try, and are surprised when their accounts are again yanked pretty much as soon as someone bothers to look for them. If you've been banned, go to a different site and contribute there instead.
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by Rita in DC on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 10:15:25 PM MST
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o I've never posted here before. (0 / 0)
I'm sure the site manager can check my IP.
"Paradise is exactly like where you are right now, only much, much better." Laurie Anderson
by tenaciousk on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 10:17:20 PM MST
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§ Busted: (1+ / 0-)
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Switters specifically said he was coming back as you.
Conservatism is Dead!
by Eternal Hope on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 10:18:49 PM MST
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§ LOL! (0 / 0)
Link please?
Amazing - you just made that whole-cloth.
"Paradise is exactly like where you are right now, only much, much better." Laurie Anderson
by tenaciousk on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 10:27:31 PM MST
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§ Right here, Switters: (1+ / 0-)
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Busted.
Conservatism is Dead!
by Eternal Hope on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 10:29:49 PM MST
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§ Uhm, that was a compliment (to me). (0+ / 1-)
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Where do you get, from that comment, that Switters was posting under this nic?
"Paradise is exactly like where you are right now, only much, much better." Laurie Anderson
by tenaciousk on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 10:37:15 PM MST
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§ He said it himself. (0 / 0)
Conservatism is Dead!
by Eternal Hope on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 10:41:13 PM MST
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§ Where? (0 / 0)
Please include the quote in your reply.
"Paradise is exactly like where you are right now, only much, much better." Laurie Anderson
by tenaciousk on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 10:43:44 PM MST
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§ 'Teanciousk will have the last word.' (0 / 0)
His exact words.
Conservatism is Dead!
by Eternal Hope on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 10:47:05 PM MST
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· "And leave it to TenaciousK to have the final... (0 / 0)
word."
You should be more conscientious about "exact words."
His comment was made after my response.
Feel free to check time/date, if you're motivated enough to be accurate.
Fascinating, the way you warped reality to prove a point.
Thanks for supporting mine.
"Paradise is exactly like where you are right now, only much, much better." Laurie Anderson
by tenaciousk on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 10:52:17 PM MST
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o * [new] Whatever. (0 / 0)
Even if you are not switters, the rule is that you don't joke about blaming the victim or being a KKK member. End of story.
Conservatism is Dead!
by Eternal Hope on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 10:58:18 PM MST
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Eternal provided.
Listen, I don't know if you are Switters. I actually got the impression that you were not him but rather the latest part of the calvary to swoop in and save Switter's honor by posting an identical diary here and over at Slate (you know, as in "the last word...")
Either way, I don't give a fuck who you are. Your motives for being here are disingenuous. You know it, we know it and you've got plenty of fodder now for your grand follow-up diary over at Slate.
Have at it. Don't let us keep you.
by Pager on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 10:49:39 PM MST
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· * [new] I'm on a posting vacation at slate... (0 / 0)
until March.
I do hope I don't get banned. You might even find I have some worthwhile things to say.
[sigh...] but I'm not getting anywhere tonight.
Look at my poll. The first and last categories both constitute "yes." The third is "sometimes."
I'm not alone in seeing this.
Goodnight and best wishes - hope I get to visit here again.
"Paradise is exactly like where you are right now, only much, much better." Laurie Anderson
by tenaciousk on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 11:01:07 PM MST
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§ Aw, man, don't you have *any* integrity? (n/t) (1+ / 0-)
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by Rita in DC on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 10:23:56 PM MST
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§ Thanks for dropping kos a line (2+ / 0-)
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when I talked to him there wasn't any sign of sockpuppets. I feel redeemed for having him check.
by SeattleLiberal on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 10:31:11 PM MST
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§ Well (2+ / 0-)
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you probably will be soon.
So don't ya'all come back now, ya hear.
We'll miss you.
by SeattleLiberal on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 10:29:37 PM MST
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· * [new] Jeez. How did I miss this diary? (0 / 0)
What with the fucking elections in 3 weeks and all.
Thanks to all who caught it.
What IS it with you guys? Switters for senator? For president in 2008?
For councilman/woman?
For anything but a supposedly misunderstood satirist who is so aching
to be accepted here...?
Oh, hell.
Do ANY of you switterish posters actually READ this site when it isn't
some trolly thingie you post?
WTF. (Am sure that's redundant now but had to say it.)
Bush takes the "tort" out of torture (homage to pb)
by begone on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 11:39:26 PM MST
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3 Comments:

Blogger hipparchia said...

you missed the funniest comment:

[it's hidden now]

10/13/2006 5:23 PM  
Blogger TenaciousK said...

Holy Cow!

We're both Switters!

Switters specifically said he was coming back as you.

I never would've guessed it, you clever minx you...No, wait, that's me. Or was it Switters.

I've gotta' sit down for a minute.

10/13/2006 5:28 PM  
Blogger hipparchia said...

yes, i saw that one too.

you ... you ... SOCKPUPPET!

10/13/2006 5:31 PM  

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